# The Top Marketing Secrets From My Inner Circle (Part 1 of 2)

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On this very special, two part episode Russell asks his inner circle to weigh in
on the biggest marketing secrets they have learned over the past decade. You will
hear from the following people on part one:

 * Peng Joon
 * Andrew Argue
 * Rachel Pedersen
 * Joshua Latimer
 * Pedro Adao
 * Jayme Amos
 * Jaime Cross
 * Annie Grace
 * Alison J Prince
 * Ryan Lee
 * Stacey Martino
 * Bart Miller
 * Julie Stoian

So listen here to get this amazing, valuable marketing advice from some of the top
marketers out there right now.

—Transcript—

Hey, what’s up everybody? This is Russell Brunson, welcome back to the Marketing
Secrets podcast. Alright, I’ve got a special treat for you guys over the next two
episodes. So the new year started and New Year’s Day I was sitting, we had my family
up at the penthouse and we were just hanging out and relaxing and you know, I relax
for about 30 seconds, then my brain starts thinking, what’s the next, what’s the
plans for this year, what are we going to do?

And I started thinking, you know, we know this was the end of a decade, and a new
decade is starting. And I just started thinking about over the last 10 years, what
are the biggest takeaways, what are the biggest aha’s and things like that, that
I’ve had in my business? And then all the sudden this idea hit me, look, I know 
the things that, the big aha’s that I’ve had. And I’ve been, I talk about them on
the podcast all the time. But I was like, I’ve got this amazing inner circle group
of entrepreneurs who have been working with me for the last 5 or 6 years. Each of
them paid, in the beginning it was $25,000 a year, towards the end it was $50,000
a year to be part of the program.

And we had 100 entrepreneurs in it and I was like, you know these guys have been
around me for a long time, they’ve been in the trenches, they’ve been doing this
in their businesses. I thought how much fun it would be to hear what their biggest
marketing secret was, their biggest takeaway that they got themselves over the last
decade in their businesses. So I have a Voxer group that has all my inner circle
members and I Voxed them and said, “Hey, just curious what’s your number one takeaway,
what’s the biggest marketing secret that you’ve gotten over the last decade in your
business that’s helped the most? If you guys could voxer back the responses to that,
that’d be awesome.”

And from that I got, I think almost 20 people sent back responses and they were 
amazing. So I thought how much fun to turn that into two episodes. So we’ve got 
two episodes for you guys that are going to be revealing the top marketing secrets
from my inner circle members. And each one’s got a different thing. I told them 
to try to keep them under 3 minutes, some people were, had a lot of brevity and 
did it in less than a minute, others struggled and got in 3 to 4 minutes. But each
one had a unique idea, a unique piece of gold for you. So I’m really excited for
these next two episodes.

And it’s interesting, as you listen to them, I’ve been teaching this stuff for the
last decade and a half and there’s tons of things we teach and that we talk about
and brainstorm about, mastermind about, and it’s interesting looking at each person,
even though all of them have built huge 7 and 8 figure businesses, each of them 
had a different thing that was the big marketing secret, the thing that knocked 
down the big domino for them. And you’ll see some things amongst the inner circle
members, other people they’re completely different things. But as a whole it was
fascinating just to see what they’re all, what each of their biggest takeaways were.

So what I’m going to do is this episode and the next episode we’re just going to
play through those, each one is 3 to 5 minutes long, giving their marketing secret.
Most of them followed the instructions and said their name and their website url,
so we would have those. Some of them didn’t, so the people who didn’t state their
names, I’ll jump in ahead of time and let you know who they are, and then we’ll 
plug in their thing. So with that said, I’m going to queue up the theme song and
when we come back, we will start with the first marketing secret from my inner circle
members.

Peng Joon: This is Peng Joon and my biggest marketing secret that I learned from
the last decade is that every given moment in time, we are building 5 different 
assets. And in marketing the first asset that we will ever build is the social asset.
This is basically the stuff that will sit on social media forever. Many times when
people don’t have the clarity as to why they’re creating that technical video on
YouTube, why they are doing that Facebook re-targeting ad, why they’re documenting
what it is that they’re doing. The reason for that is because they don’t know that
this is step number one, they’re creating this social asset that can be fed into
step number two, which is the digital asset.

This is where you build the funnel, you build up the sales process, you build up
something that will live on forever, in order to sell the course, the book, the 
consulting. And the question you gotta ask yourself is, “How can you take what you’re
already doing in your life, the presentations, the life event, the consulting, the
coaching sessions, how can you document them so that it can be turned into the digital
asset that will work for you forever?”

So for example, the keynote that I did at Funnel Hacking Live, I did that presentation
once, but I turned that into a book, into a recurring that lives on, and is going
to live on for a really long time to come. And the whole purpose of that, number
two is to then move onto number three in order to create a proprietary asset. This
is basically the infrastructure, the tribe, the community, if you think about what
makes Apple Apple, if Samsung came up with something that was 3x better, with more
features, half the price, chances are I’m not going to shift. Why? Because I’m locked
in. I’m locked in and I’m thinking about the inconvenience. I’m thinking about the
iTunes, I’m thinking about all of my files backed up in the cloud.

Same thing for Clickfunnels. Even if there were 200 different competitors, even 
if somebody came up with better features or lower pricing, I’m not going to switch.
Why? Because of the tribe, because of the community, because of the good will Russell,
you have given to me in the last decade. That’s what locks people in, and it’s something
that I’m thinking about all the time. And that brings us to number four. Number 
four is creating of systems assets. This is the SOP’s, the Trello boards. This is
why I document what I’m doing on YouTube, Instagram, the steps on social media. 
Why? Because I’m constantly working on removing myself from the business so that
I can work on the business and not in the business.

And finally, that is all pushed to number 5, the capital asset. Understanding that
ultimately why I’m building all these things is to build up capital. This could 
be office space, this could be property, things that generate positive cash flow,
which then can be used back to step number 1, which is to fill social asset. And
when you have this big picture, as to understanding why it is that you do what it
is that you do, you’ll be able to have the big picture and have clarity on every,
what you work on every single day.

Andrew Argue: Hey it’s Andrew Argue from Accountingtax.com and I wanted to share
my biggest marketing secret that I learned in the decade. And you know, I was kind
of struggling coming up with this because I actually learned pretty much everything
I know about marketing in the last decade, because I’m not really a marketer, I’m
an accountant by trade. But when I think about the biggest thing I learned, that
made the biggest difference, you know, a lot of times when people are doing marketing,
they’re doing something that looks good, or something that feels good and they’re
putting it out there, and it’s like a brochure maybe, or maybe like a Facebook ad,
and they don’t really know exactly what the return on it is.

So myself being an accountant, when I first started doing marketing I really had
no idea what I was doing until I finally started actually calculating out what specifically
what I was getting for what I was doing. So I would look, “Okay, what is my cost
per click?” so what was the cost per click for somebody to come to my website? And
I would know that number. And I started looking, “Well some of these people are 
coming to the landing page and then they’re opting in, what percentage of those 
people are opting in? That’s my landing page conversion rate.”

So I would look at my cost per click. Let’s say my cost per click was $4, and then
let’s say that only 10% of people were opting in, so that means my cost per lead
was $40. Then I’d say, “Okay I spent x amount of dollars on Facebook or Google or
something…” and I was getting leads for $40. Okay well then, where were those leads
going, they were going next stage to book an appointment. And what’s my cost per
appointment? Only 10% of people that became a lead booked an appointment. So that
means $400 was my cost per appointment. And then how many people would I close?

And I think until I really put those kind of metrics, the cost per click, landing
page conversion rate, cost per lead, conversion from opt in to appointment, and 
the cost per sale, until I really put those metrics on it, I just never really felt
confident in doing more marketing or spending more money, because I just didn’t 
really know what I was getting.

So I mean, I learned so many things on the art and how it all works. I mean, obviously
Russell’s done a tremendous job teaching me a bunch of different things about marketing,
hook, story, offer, a ton of different things. But I really never felt comfortable
to pull the trigger, and now we probably spent 6-7 million dollars on advertising
over the last few years alone. So that’s probably the biggest thing I learned in
the decade, hope that’s helpful.

Rachel Pedersen: I’m Rachel Pedersen, the founder of the Viral Touch digital marketing
agency and Social Media United, the leading online training for social media managers.
Now I haven’t been in entrepreneurship for a decade yet, but over the last decade
I definitely learned a lot about social media and attention spans. We’re in a time
where technically speaking, attention spans are at an all time low. Or at least,
that’s what we’re being told.

The interesting thing that most people don’t realize, sorry you’re going to hear
my son in the background, welcome to mom and entrepreneur life balance. So what 
I’ve discovered is that if you can grab someone’s attention within in the first 
10 to 15 seconds, you have them. So many of us spend time watching TV shows or movies,
you know Netflix binging for lack of better words, but how is that we decide what
we’re going to Netflix binge? Well the chances are it happened because of a trailer.

We stop, we look at the thumbnail, we give it about 10 to 15 seconds to decide if
it’s worthy of more of our time. The most important thing that you can learn to 
do for your business, especially in this time where people are becoming increasingly
discerning about what they’re going to allow their time to be spent on, is to truly
know your message, really, really, really get it. Can you make your point clear 
in 10 seconds? Can you explain your business in the 15 second video or conversation?

For me, jumping onto tiktok was such a great lesson and truly a test of if I understood
how to grab attention in 15 seconds or less. And for me it’s a daily practice reminding
me how to capture attention and ultimately harness a following that says, “Not only
did we like that 15 seconds, but we want more. We want to binge watch all of your
content.” So now is the time to truly understand how to capture attention. We are
after all in the attention economy, and those who grab it in the first 10 to 15 
seconds will be the ones that ultimately are binged over the next decade.

That’s definitely what I’ve learned over the last 10 years of being on social media.

Joshua Latimer: Hey what’s up? Joshua and Ashley Latimer from honorandfire.com. 
The biggest marketing secret I’ve learned in the last 15 years is really easy for
me, and it’s relationship marketing. It’s looking at your business like a marriage
instead of just a wedding, which is a weird analogy. But people are super, super
short term minded with their business, and in today’s climate with the internet,
people want to get a Two Comma Club award, or make a million dollars as fast as 
possible. And desiring that is not wrong, but from a sustainability standpoint, 
what I’ve found is that when you solve real problems by providing real quality solutions
and services, it’s really, really hard to fail a business.

But it takes a little bit longer when you play the long game. So that goes for your
relationship with your employees, your relationships with your dream 100, relationship
with your business partners. My biggest marketing secret has been to slow down, 
try to have massive integrity, so real problems, and play the long game rather than
just getting the ad that converts or getting that offer to do awesome in that one
launch, it’s really, really hard to fail when you focus on the marriage, and not
just the wedding.

And in business I see a lot of people really excited to launch something or to get
their funnel done, and they need to spend more time on making sure that they’re 
solving a real problem with a quality solution, whether it’s a product or a service,
because at the end of the day, money is a natural byproduct of solving real problems.
And if you slow down and listen to Tony Robbins, Tony always says people overestimate
what they can do in a year, and underestimate what they can do in a decade. If you
can be one of the people that realizes that, I think it will help you. And Russell,
you’ve helped me. And hopefully that adds value to listeners of your podcast.

Pedro Adao: Hey Russell, this is Pedro Adao, I’m in the inner circle. Man, so many
but the one I think that I have probably leaned into the most, and has really I 
think, helped me kind of blow up on movement, is just really going deep into the
niche. Going deep into your client avatar and really leaving that red ocean and 
finding an underserved, or unmet needs, carving a niche so tight that only you can
fit in. That’s kind of a phrase that I’m now saying a lot these days. So that’s 
the big thing, that’s been a game changer for me. It’s allowed me to find my place
of uniqueness and really not feel like I’m actually competing at all with anybody,
because I’m really serving this really micro audience. That’s been a game changer.

And then tactic is challenges. Man, I saw, it was at FHL last year I saw Natasha
teach on challenges and I took the free masterclass concept I learned from you in
Expert Secrets, I was doing free masterclasses and doing well with those, and then
heard about paid challenges, and we’ve been doing  pretty much a paid challenge 
every single month since then and I just recently used a paid challenge to actually
win a major launch for Pete Vargas, came in first place ahead of some pretty serious
guys. So I have a great testimony around challenges, I’m happy to share as well.
So that’s, those are my two big keys, which is carve your niche, find a great market
that’s underserved, and then show up and deliver value and prove your work through
challenges. Take all the risk upfront before you ask them to buy. Hope that helps,
bro. Take care.

Jayme Amos: My name is Jayme Amos, CEO of Ideal Practices, we’re the country’s largest
startup dental consulting firm. In other words we help dentists open startup dental
practices. The number one marketing secret for me over the last decade, that I thought
I understood, was being able to serve a niche.

So to trick myself into understanding this better in the last decade, and the way
that this has made the biggest impact in myself and in my consulting company and
in the industry where I serve, is to describe it as a niche of a niche of a niche.
Now here’s what I mean, you’ve probably heard me say that I help startup dentists.
Well, I help dentist, I do, but only younger dentists. Usually doctors who are working
for someone else, and only even in that subset, startup dentists. They can buy a
practice, they can partner with a practice, but we only help startup dentists.

So what does this mean for you? Well, a niche of a niche, of a niche, well here 
are the benefits that it’s helped me be able to achieve. I’m able to now speak so
clearly to the people that I’m trying to serve best. So I can make the greatest 
impact with those specific people. But not only am I able to speak to them clearly,
I’m also able to understand their pain points. And not just the pain points of dentist,
not just the pain points of young dentists, or associates who are working for other
dentists, but just those young dentists who desire to open startup practices. This
allows us to serve them really well.

But one of the aha moments that I’ve had, that I think Russell even taught me back
when I was first an inner circle member, I don’t know, 3 years ago or something.
He told me this, I thought I understood it, and it’s taken me even more time to 
fully understand this niche of a niche of a niche concept, and it’s this. When I’m
able to understand them best, when I’m able to niche down best, I also am forced
to find where they are. Now that sounds easy on the service, but when I’m forced
to find where those people are, I’m also forced to find the places that nobody else
knows about, where I can have the greatest impact.

And guess what? There are fewer competitors there. And I don’t even mean just in
my case, a startup dental consulting forms there’s competitors, I mean the competition
of noise. I mean the competition of advertising dollars. So think of noise, whether
it’s a newspaper ad, or a magazine ad, or a Facebook ad, there’s other noise for
people’s attention that aren’t even direct competitors, but it’s competition for
noise. And when I find the place where those people hangout, there aren’t many other
people there. So I’m able to be one of the loudest voices in one of the smallest
pockets in this niche of a niche of a niche.

So my encouragement to you, one of the biggest aha marketing moments that I’ve had
through Russell Brunson, through Clickfunnels, through my time as an inner circle
member is this. Find your niche, but trick yourself and remind yourself that you
can be even more powerful with a niche of a niche of a niche because you’ll be able
to speak to them best. Serve them best and find those pockets of opportunity where
you can have the greatest impact at the lowest cost. So I hope this serves you well.
My name is Jayme Amos, CEO of Ideal Practices, number one consulting firm for startup
dental practices in the country, and so much of this is the direct result of Clickfunnels,
of Russell Brunson’s guidance, and being an inner circle member. Hope this is helpful
to you as you grow how you impact others. Take care, bye, bye.

Jaime Cross: So this is Jaime Cross with Migsoap.com and the greatest marketing 
discovery I’ve made in the last 10 years and have used in our business is story 
selling. It is, story is transcendent and Philip Tollman said that after nourishment,
shelter and companionship, stories are the thing that we need most in the world.
So there’s also a really great story about a journalist who purchased 200 items 
on ebay for $129 and he wanted to do an experiment, and he turned around and sold
those same items for $8000 including story.

So our fortune has been found in our follow up with story and then we incorporate
into our description. So as an ecommerce company we have been able to maximize profits
by leveraging story. You know, even with our pounce product, it’s kind of funny 
because I wrote like a mini romance novel. So I’m not just talking about the product,
I’m actually making this story that every woman wants to be in come alive on our
website. So we’ve done that with all our products and I’ve got a lot of really great
ideas about story.

You know, there’s an art and science to it as well. So it’s a great way, because
there’s a psychological and chemical reaction in the brain when you hear and tell
stories, it connects you to your audience, so it’s a really great way to build strong
relationships and strong bonds with your followers and with your tribe. So I love
story selling and I’ve got some really examples here too, but your brain on stories
is like on fire compared to just listening to you know, features and benefits in
the typical old way or traditional way of describing products.

Annie Grace: Hey, this is Annie Grace from This Naked Mind, and my top marketing
secret of the decade is probably the simplest one, but it’s so incredibly effective.
And it’s really all about consistency. So I actually started a podcast right around
the same time that people in the UK, a group that was doing basically the same thing
I was doing started a podcast. And they came out of the gate like, over the top 
with guests. They had Gretchen Rubin, they had John Lee Dumas, they had Ryan Holladay,
they had Hal Elrod, they had all these crazy guests and they got all these downloads
and all this press around their podcast, and it was incredible and I was like, “
Oh my gosh, they’re just smashing it. It’s amazing.”

And then over the year I just kept going, my podcast was just the people who read
my book. And I’d publish every Friday and every Saturday, but I never ever missed
a day. And over the years these guys started missing a few here and there, and then
they took a break, and then they came back, and then they took another break. And
if you fast forward 2 years now, my podcast has 3.5 million downloads, and they’re
nowhere close. So the consistency of just showing up every single week. I’ve now
done a newsletter every single week for over 400 weeks. And the consistency of just
showing up weekly and just doing what you say you’re going to do really pays off
in the long run.

It reminds me of the tortoise and the hair. So that’s my best marketing secret. 
It’s not really a secret. But just do what you say you’re going to do, if you’re
going to do a weekly podcast or twice weekly podcast, make it happen, make the commitment,
make it work into your life. Same with a newsletter, same with your emails, don’t
pop up and then drop off again, because there’s no faster way to lose trust.

Alison J Prince: Hey Russell and the Marketing Secrets podcast listeners, Alison
J Prince her from Alisonjprince.com. I went from a junior high teacher to building
4 multimillion dollar businesses with 4 kids at my feet, but found my greatest success
was watching my 10 and 13 year olds gain confidence in themselves as they went on
to sell their first 6 figures before they even stepped into a high school. I am 
the host of the Because I Can live podcast where I show you what it takes to set
up and automate your own online store using the steps I currently use today, and
what I taught my girls. Why? Because I can.

The marketing secret that I have been using for a decade and I still use today because
it works, and it will work for as long as marketing exists, is teaming up with influencers
to help explode your business. Yes, you can start growing your own following, but
that can take years. So why not leverage what can accelerate your speed?

Now I’m not talking about the get rich quick stuff that’s out there, that’s not 
what I’m talking about. I’m talking about getting your products in front of an already
warm audience, and not crossing your fingers and hoping that cold Facebook ads work.
Imagine Taylor Swift talking about earrings she’s wearing on an Instagram story 
with a simple swipe up for her followers to go and buy. Do you think they would 
sell? Yeah!

Don’t stress in getting Taylor’s attention, that’s not what’s needed. There are 
a ton of influencers out there who can rock the sales, and they have less than 100,000
followers. And some have even had 2000 followers and they have been known to move
sales number mountains. So whatever you are selling there is an influencer who is
looking to team up with a business like yours. Influencers have been building an
audience for years, so it becomes a 3 way win. Win for you because you make sales,
win for the influencer because they make a percentage of the sales, and a win for
their followers because they get your really cool, amazing product into their hands.
Creating this 3 win-win has been one of my marketing secrets to building online 
profitable businesses. I hope that helps you crack the marketing code going into
2020.

Oh, and one more thing, if you’re sending all that traffic over, make sure you’ve
got a Clickfunnels set up so that you can maximize the order cart value.

Ryan Lee: Hey this is Ryan Lee from Cashflowtactics.com and wanted to share with
you the biggest marketing secret that I learned from Russell Brunson. So over the
last decade as I’ve been in the inner circle and studying the art and science of
marketing, one of the biggest things, one of the biggest epiphanies that I’ve had
is building a business around a future based cause.

You know Russell taught us for years all of the presidents maybe forever, the one’s
that won {inaudible} on a future based cause instead of an improvement offer. And
for too long inside of our business we were focused on features and improvement 
offers, but as soon as we took everything down and focused on the outcome that our
product and our service created for our clients, that’s when things took off for
us.

So having a future based cause, and the easiest way to implement that for us was
really diving deep and figuring out the core desire of our ideal avatar, our ideal
client. Once we understood their pain points and their desired outcome, we could
focus our message on speaking to both that pain and then the future based outcome
for our clients.

So for us at Cash Flow Tactics, we built our business around empowering people with
money to become financially free in 10 years or less, and our tagline that’s really
driven massive amounts of business has been “Rise up, Live free.” So something very
simple but it speaks to our ideal avatar in the sense that they want control. It’s
a future based cause to rise up, choosing differently from where they’re at today,
so that they can live free. And all of our marketing is based around that, both 
from the possibility as well as speaking to the pain. So good luck in 2020 future
based cause is where the gold is at.

Stacey Martino: Alright hey there everyone on Marketing Secrets podcast. I’m Stacey
Martino, my husband Paul and I are the founders of relationshipdevelopment.org ,
and I’m happy to come in and share one of our biggest marketing secret strategy 
that we’ve learned in the last few years, and that comes down to something that 
Russell shared with us probably the first or second time that we ever met him within
inner circle.

Like many of you, Paul and I were stuck in that place of look we have this amazing
solution, we know we want to make as many people know about this as possible. Everyone
deserves to know about the solution that we have, ours is for relationship, yours
is for whatever it is that you do, and I’m sure you’ve had that feeling at one point
or another, “I want everybody to know about this. This s so good.”

So Russell said, of course to us, “Hey, you’ve got to do a podcast.” Because love
to listen to podcasts. Hence, we’re all listening to marketing secrets podcast. 
And what I did in that moment was, “Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s a great idea. Let
me put that on my list, I don’t have time to implement that right now.” And I want
you to learn from my mistake and catch yourself, because we all do this. “Oh my 
gosh, that’s such a great idea. I don’t have the bandwidth for that.” “Oh my gosh,
that’s such a great idea. I don’t have time for that.”

You have to catch yourself because one of the biggest strategies you could ever 
take away from this is you won’t get results from something you don’t implement.
We have to implement, it doesn’t matter how many great strategies or ideas we have,
we have to actually take action and get it done.

So fast forward some time, we actually did make the Relationship Transformers podcast
last year, it’s been catching like fire, it’s everywhere, it’s spreading, it’s doing
everything we wanted it to do and more. And there’s two podcast strategies that 
have worked for our podcast that I really want to share with you. One Steve Larsen
taught to us, which is to take your 3 Secrets Webinar and turn it on it’s side, 
and the first 4 or 5 episodes of your podcast is you doing like 20 or 30 minute 
chunks of your 3 secrets webinar to take them through your pillar content. Who you
are, what you’re about, why is this different, what are the three secrets?

So we did that, and it has been amazing. And then at the end of eveyr single podcast
we share three action items like, “What can you do now to get great results now?”
and a call to action. These are three things you can do to start getting results
today, and your next step is join our 14 day boost program for your relationship.
Whatever the first step is on your value ladder to help them take action. Because
not only do you not get results from things you don’t implement, but the people 
who are listening to you won’t get results from things if they don’t implement. 
And yes, the podcast is amazing and we want to educate, and we want to inform, but
if we don’t help them take that first step and take action, we’re not really serving
them. So those are my strategies, I hope you implement them and make this an amazing
year.

Russell: Alright, the next person who sent a message was Bart Miller and Bart is
a man of many talents. He’s the guy who dresses me for Funnel Hakcing Live, but 
on top of that he runs a huge ecommerce brand, he runs info product brands and a
whole bunch of other amazing things. So with that said, here’s Bart’s biggest marketing
secret from the last decade. 

Bart Miller: The number one marketing strategy for us this year has been using a
warranty card that goes into every Amazon box that we send into Amazon, and having
people come back and fill that out and getting their email and capturing their stuff,
and then putting on that thank you page for filling that out, a order bump for products
that they can sell right then and there after they, I don’t know if it’s a bump 
or an actual sale, but we just take them right to it.

Conversions are halving on two different things. One they are obviously coming onto
an email list off of Amazon for capturing them, which is awesome. So we’re building
a really cool camping list. And the second is that we’re actually selling them something
else and the take rate on that right now is about 35%, are taking the next offer,
which is a continuity program in the cooking space. So anyway, really cool, but 
that’s worked really well for us this year, and converted really well for us.

Russell: Hey this next one is from Julie Stoian. Julie is no stranger in the funnel
hacker, or marketing secrets community. She was a key player here at Clickfunnels
for a long time, and I think you’re going to love the marketing secret that she 
shared next.

Julie Stoian: Hey, so I’m going to answer this for you. I think probably the thing
that I learned the most or that stuck out to me the most over the last decade is
I’ve learned all the mechanics of marketing and I’ve learned the different fields
offer, creation, copy, design, but the art of the hook is really something that 
I learned a ton from you, Russell, and all the stuff you teach, and this idea of
pattern interrupt and no matter how great you are, how great your offer is, if you
cannot get people to pay attention and get curious, you’re not going to get people
into your funnel.

So over the past couple of years especially, I’ve started to see, now that I see
it I can instantly recognize when someone is marketing without a hook, without a
reason or a story or a pattern interrupt. And I looked back over a lot of my writing
and all of the emails and sales pages that were the best, I realized had this really
curious hook or this crazy story attached to it. So even though I had been doing
it unknowingly, once I figured out that that was the key, I started infusing it 
into everything. Into my emails, my sales pages, my ads, even my social media posts,
and this made just a tremendous difference.